MJ was ALIVE at UCLA

I believe it is true.

In regards to the events the world witnessed on 6/25/09; the ambulance backing out of Carrolwood, the gif file compiled of the stretcher entering UCLA ER pics, the helicopter on UCLA roof, the waiting coroner van, all played out in Live Time on our television screens… thus was the Death of The King of Pop… and it was as amazing and fantastic as you could ever want. And it was all a ruse…

Or was it?

When TS from MJDHI launched the Levels in 2011, and specifically Level 7b– who or what went to UCLA in the ambulance that day, I found my own personal hoax playground.

I have long been a supporter of the LiveMJ theory. It has always seemed fitting to me, since discovering the hoax in July of 2009, that MJ was precisely where he was reported to be, on that stretcher being whisked away via ambulance/helicopter/coroner van. I envisioned him playing dead, some how fooling everyone who came into contact with him (save for the coroner) that he was deceased, beyond saving, a corpse… protected only by Murray, his loyal insider who stayed with him (nearly) every step of the way (Three Way Theory–RIP).

But then I grew up. And the investigation became less fanciful, more sophisticated, grounded. It was argued to me that this was a preposterous theory (funny thing, coming from another death hoaxer), the risk was too great, MJ would never put himself into that situation, not during the performance of his life, not with 20+ years of plans riding on it, too much chance of discovery…

Some attest that a real corpse was used. Some a dummy. I liked the dummy theory for awhile, because it allows MJ to “be” there without actually being there, as if that were important somehow. But the corpse theory I reject at ‘hello’ and have been attempting to debunk it now for (literally) years.

Fast forward to yesterday. After heated debate on the 11/11/11 thread for weeks (months/years), arguing against the dead body theory and for the dummy theory, going through the (by now) old, familiar motions, it dawned on me. LiveMJ theory was rejected, effectively, due to it’s greatest strength: risk of discovery… except I’ve been looking at it backwards. Eureka! What if, during all the commotion on 6/25/09, MJ was discovered ELSEWHERE? Well it would be Hoax Over in one fell swoop. No amount of damage control or propaganda campaign chaser could iron that out, it’s game over: MJ is not dead, he’s not in distress, and he’s not at UCLA in the ER being worked on by emergency personnel, he’s discovered hiding (imagine the headlines) in location xyz wherever. Problemo de grande aka Hoax Fail.

So as unlikely as it might seem that MJ might be discovered elsewhere (where ever else he may have “escaped” to on 6/25/09), just by MJ being any where other then on that stretcher, this risk exists and would be ever-present with any alternative method.

Ironically… if LiveMJ is there every step of the way, this vulnerability is completely negated– MJ is never in two places at once, rather, he is always precisely where he is reported to be. In fact, what we have with this LiveMJ option, is complete and 100% elimination of this particularly fatal risk of hoax discovery, and how often did MJ have access to that kind of iron-clad hoax “insurance policy” on that day?

After 3+ years, and all that we have been able to assert regarding the events of that day, it seems to me that LiveMJ is actually the least risky option on the table.

Lucky enough for me, and this is where it gets interesting, I was asked by TS_comments himself, to compile my reasons against the dead body theory and for the LiveMJ or dummy theory, my choice, into organized, numbered lists:

I would request bec, in the next day or so, to compile a list of up to about a dozen reasons against the DWD and/or corpse theory—and also up to about a dozen reasons for the live MJ and/or dummy theory (or whatever other theory you want to include).  You may use new reasons, and/or review previous reasons posted by yourself and/or others.  Please number each point, so that I can reply to each point directly by number.

He’s giving me the deadline of 11/29/12,  the date slated for completion of Level 7 (which is a cornerstone of the Bamsday prophesies btw, for those who subscribe to that school of thought, which I do). And so I did. But despite my efforts, I came up with more then a dozen. Here are my lists for your consideration.

12 reasons against dead body theory

1. The chances of someone other then MJ that looks enough like MJ to fool everyone ( double) dying of natural means (or Propofol) in accordance with the numerology, perfectly on time, who also happened to be residing at Carrolwood that day is a statistical impossibility.
2. DWD is against the law in California. California penal code section 401: Every person who deliberately aids, or advises, or encourages a person to commit suicide, is guilty of a felony. MJ, Murray, and AEG would all be guilty in accordance with the wording of the law.
3. A real body would need to get into Carrolwood somehow and at some point. On 6/25/09, the staff was sent out of the house before the stretcher came down indicating that they were not in on, so therefore would need to be shielded from the body’s arrival as well.
4. A real body would need to be stored until go time. Dead bodies are messy n ought not be stored in private residences and few private residences would be set up to properly house a corpse. This is a public health risk that would necessitate specific accommodations. This is also a zoning violation (at best), and potentially a small string of misdemeanors and minor felonies resulting from abuse of a corpse, tampering with a corpse, others.
5. If a real body were frozen to facilitate storage, it would be at the wrong temperature to fool emergency workers, and by the time the core was thawed, the outer tissues would be mush. Additionally, once-frozen-now-thawed tissue is distinctive and shows up clearly upon autopsy.
6. A fresh dead corpse would be subject to rigor mortis within minutes and lasting for hours, making entubulation of the airway/locating and tapping a vein impossible.
7. It was reported that the body was ID’ed from MJ’s driver’s license at the hospital. Neither a DWD patient nor a random corpse could be ID’ed as MJ from a pic of MJ.
8. UCLA spokesperson did not make a statement in the death of MJ, counter to what is typical with a high profile death at a hospital. Instead, Jermaine Jackson made the statement. UCLA specifically dodged making any kind of statement regarding MJ at all, rather printing the family’s prewritten words instead.
9. No doctor came forward initially to sign the death certificate. If there were a real body entering UCLA that day, there should be no problem getting a DC for it signed.
10. The body wouldn’t look like MJ and ambulance/gurney/autopsy pics clearly depict MJ, and not an apparent hospice patient as was testified by paramedics.
11. Makes the entire story, start to finish, a lie. MJ was not attended by paramedics at Carrolwood, MJ didn’t go to UCLA, MJ didn’t get transported via helicopter, MJ did not go to the coroner’s office.
12. Both paramedics that testified attested that the patient looked like MJ. A DWD patient or random corpse are not going to resemble MJ enough for both paramedics to testify that they recognized him.
13. No IV drip was witnessed suspended above the patient in the stretcher gif and if a real person was being attended in a medical emergency, and was reportedly already ported with an IV when paramedics arrived, after 42 minutes of attendance during which they are treating him as not dead and administering IV injections, it is extremely unlikely that the patient would not be started on fluids within that amount of time.
14. The official story is that Dr. Cooper was able to rouse some heart activity in the patient at UCLA for several minutes. This would be impossible if she were working on a stored corpse, and nearing impossible on a DWD patient who had consumed suicide medication 1 hour (or more) prior.
15. If the patient were a DWD patients, then rescue efforts such as those described having been administered to MJ violates ethics on the part of MJ, Murray, and AEG (and any other potential producers/financial backers of DH), for knowingly allowing a person who’s will it was to end their life peacefully under their own control, be subjected to extreme methods of resuscitation for an extended duration of time. Successful or not, this action is a direct violation of this patient’s end of life wishes.
16. Because of points 4, 5, 6, and 7, the paramedics and ER emergency Dr.’s are required to be in on it, so we lack motive of who the real body is designed to fool.

12 reasons supporting Live MJ theory

1. MJ was reported to be “Alive at UCLA”.
2. Allows for on-the-scene direction/consultation in case anything unforeseen ocurred which required on-the-spot changes or alterations in the plan.
3. Completely eliminates the risk that the hoax will be ruined by MJ being discovered safe and hiding somewhere else, or sneaking away shortly before 6/25/09, when he is supposed to be suddenly dead/dying at UCLA that day.
4. MJ had to leave Carrolwood somehow, at some point, same as above, allows MJ to not be discovered/seen leaving Carrolwood anytime sooner or later then reported.
5. Eliminates the need for MJ to hide, be disguised, travel to, and arrange for insiders at a 2^nd or 3^rd location as would be necessary to coordinate if escaping via another means.
6. Allows MJ to have photos taken as reported for gurney and autopsy, ensuring that those photos cannot be discovered too early (them being discovered to be in existence pre 6/25/09 would be a big problem), nor will those photos show up too late to potentially rouse suspicion of someone in a paperwork position not in on the hoax (autopsy was performed 6/26 so those pics needed to exist by then).
7. Allows emergency workers to be able to accurately recall events because MJ is really there on the stretcher (probably really wearing that gown). Live simulations could be run through, in the time allowed at each location, to allow workers to have real memories, rather then fabricated alibis. MJ is not dealing with seasoned actors here, and they’re playing the role of their lives, so it is best if people are given an opportunity to have something real to remember.
8. Allows validation of the official story should anyone not in on the hoax happen to catch a quick glimpse of the stretcher going by at any point along the way, they would really see MJ.
9. Allows for unforeseen occurrences to be encountered (ambulance break down, unauthorized peaks through windows in locked doors, etc) because, just as reported, MJ is indeed just where he is supposed to be.
10. Shortly after the ambulance arrives, the fire alarm was pulled in the portion of UCLA that MJ was reportedly in on 6/25/09, effectively minimizing the unauthorized opportunities outlined in points 8 & 9.
11. Gives MJ a perfect escape out of UCLA, because again, he could do exactly as is reported and take the helicopter to the waiting coroner van. If he chose to go a different direction, even last minute, there would be dozens of other escape plans A-Z to explore out of the highly trafficked UCLA campus.
12. Gives the official story a consistently interwoven element of truth; MJ really was attended by paramedics at Carrolwood, MJ really did go to UCLA, MJ really did get transported via helicopter, MJ really did go to the coroner’s office.
13. Explains why MJ’s kids stopped crying when they were done seeing their dad’s body, the scene as described by LaToya. They stopped crying because they saw Dad’s not dead.
14. Explains Jermaine’s “slip up” airport comment. Jermaine said MJ wasn’t “with us long before he went to the airport… I mean hospital.” … which is 100% accurate. Just like Jermaine said. He meant hospital, the man said MJ went to the hospital, and if we can’t trust Jermaine’s word, what CAN we believe?
15. Changes the least amount of variables from the official story. The only thing that isn’t true is MJ being dead.

So there you have it. After 3 years and 5 months of research and nearly 2 years of intense debate and brainstorming sessions, I think I have laid out a strong case FOR LiveMJ having attended on site on 6/25/09, and a strong case to debunk, once and for all, the dead body theory.

Lastly, just for funsies, if you will, please refer to LiveMJ point #14. This “slip up” by Jermaine has long been used as “proof” that MJ fled the scene on 6/25/09 (airport escape theory-runs parallel to dead body theory and dummy theory to some extent). I have long professed that Jermaine’s slip up was not real, rather contrived, and done so to give hoaxers false validation, as the airport theory was being actively considered as plausible at the time, and periodically comes up ever since.

The background info on this point, as it is fairly brand new: along came a friend of mine from the forum, Thriller4ever, who saw the situation with Jermaine’s “slip up” a little differently and pm’ed me (this is not a native English speaker so please forgive):

Jermaine’s slip up of before  he arrived to the airport (error) hospital…. “He” is Michael…so wouldn’t that mean Michael was travelling from Carolwood to UCLA…?

I just sat n stared at Thriller4ever’s words for a minute and again, I was dawned upon. Like a ray of bright and shining light of clarity: Jermaine DID tell the truth. Now look, please consider JJ’s now famous line:

Michael was not with us long before he arrived at the airport, I mean hospital.

He said he meant hospital. He said he meant hospital, by George! He DID mean hospital, JJ did not give out false clues after all, people (we) simply jumped to conclusions based on what we thought we heard… not based on what JJ actually said. Airport is irrelevant, he didn’t mean airport, he meant hospital. And that’s just where MJ arrived on 6/25/09.

So now seeing the forest for the trees finally, it occurs to me that TS was right all along; if we can’t take JJ’s word for it, then what can we believe in all this??

So in conclusion, I will continue to defend the LiveMJ theory, the one that states that the events witnessed in live time on live TV on 6/25/09, were all REAL and all TRUE. The only detail that the media got wrong was that Michael Jackson was dead.

Now we wait.

Michael Jackson is dead, just like Elvis…

Much has been said about the similarities between Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley, both in life and in apparent death, and more recently, in their hoax deaths as well. But not much has been said about what the similarities indicate nor what they mean. This sentiment was posed to the group on MJHDI today as the question:

 

i don’t get the connection between Michael and Elvis, except he married Lisa.
If Elvis faked his death, by the way how old is he not meaning to be rude, how does that imply Michael’s hoax too?

It’s a good question. So what if Elvis did fake it.  What does this have to do with Michael Jackson’s hoax death? The following is my response cut and pasted from the forum:

Hi!

Bear with me because it gets complicated and it’s best if I talk it out.

Elvis having faked his death (the notion of) has become a curiosity of sorts in American culture. It’s cliche if you will, like a joke. It’s a light-hearted and funny fantasy, though the vast majority thinks it’s just that, a joke or fantasy, the concept of Elvis still being alive is something that everyone can laugh about. It’s a subject guaranteed to evoke a snicker or chuckle in a fun way. Haha Elvis is alive and rides the bus to bingo every Sunday…

In the late 70’s there were a rash of Elvis “sightings” just like that, Elvis doing routine, mundane, every day people things and it became material for urban legends. Example: I saw Elvis at the Quick Pik buying eggs and milk. I saw Elvis driving an El Camino with steer horns on the grill. I saw Elvis hanging out at the bowling alley on fish fry night.

And then we have the Elvis impersonators.

Turned into a joke of course. As conspiracy theories go, it’s unique in a way as the Elvis hoax death is one conspiracy everyone can smile about. How fun if it was true but how utterly ridiculous an idea…

So along comes MJ’s death. And from day one multiple sources, media, family, friends, have all been drawing parallels between MJ’s death and Elvis’s death, and this is an example of a rabbit hole. A rabbit hole is a lead that draws players into an Interactive Web Based Alternate Reality Game. Elvis and MJ. Elvis and MJ. MJ died just like Elvis died. It’s just like Elvis. Just like Elvis….

So then you take a closer look. How much is it just like Elvis? Well we have this and this and this…. and this…and this… and omg this this this this this… you get the idea.

Many of these things are things that MJ chose to do/wear/say/arrange and there are so many of them it leads one to wonder, why the F is MJ emulating Elvis so much?

And if MJ spends much of his life emulating Elvis, how crazy is it that his death seemed SO similar to Elvis’s… the circumstances, the timing, the players involved…

So then as we investigate we find it is clear that MJ purposely emulated Elvis in multiple facets of his life, his art, his music, his clothes, his associations, his interests… even emulating his death? It’s not a stretch of imagination, it seems the only logical conclusion. The mountains of similarities are overwhelming evidence. It’s like if you fill your home with Beenie Babies, wear Beenie Baby themed clothes, spend time on Beenie Baby websites, have Beenie Babies on your desk at work, write poems about Beenie Babies, and then request that you be buried with Beenie Babies…. I can safely deduce that you like Beenie Babies and no one would accuse me of just jumping to that conclusion.

So why did MJ spend so much time emulating Elvis’s last 6 months of life in his own last 6 months of life? From the press conference at the O2 to the doctors to the concert posters to the home he rented to the dates to the title of the productions to the way he walked/talked/moved on stage all of a sudden… coincidence then that he then up and ended up dying just like him?

Then after the death… the numerology… same for both men… same connections from life to death in the numbers, the Mayan calendar, Lisa Marie and the things she has said, now the court case and Jesse and maybe he isn’t dead after all?

Elvis could actually be dead and it wouldn’t matter. All that matters is the context in which American culture and the American populous regards Elvis and his hoax death idea.

I say the mountains of similarities between Elvis and MJ, live and dead, are not coincidental. I say the parallels were loaded up so that people would start to catch on to the joke. It’s necessary for MJs death hoax to become just as much a joke as Elvis’s death hoax. It’s the biggest early hint in this whole thing. MJ is dead just like Elvis… who’s memory has gone on to be forever linked in everyone’s mind with DEATH HOAX. The connection starts everything off on the right foot and it’s been paraded in front of us from Day One. In my opinion, the purpose is this: MJ intends to do what MJ always does and does best… he’s going to one-up Elvis.

Because as we all know, a come back is sensitive. It must be done properly. The PR campaign is crucial. And it will be done right, have no doubt. Comparing MJs hoax death to Elvis’s hoax death sets off the right tone. It’s fun and light hearted and silly. Not shady and fraudulent and deceitful. It’s all for love and all for fun.

He’s going to do what Elvis did except he’s going to do it better. Like Prince doing 20 O2 concerts? MJ is gonna do 50 (remember that report?). Elvis does a hoax death and stays dead. Big deal. Anyone can pull that off. MJ gonna do a hoax death and come back. Now THAT is a big deal.

360 days

This is an old post I apparently forgot about in drafts and never published. As it points to clues that all but SCREAM that this is a HOAX that all surfaced just before the 1 year anniversary, I am clicking “publish” on this today, 10/4/10.

Big week coming up and despite my better judgment I’m feeling some sense of anticipation with the 25th approaching.

To recap current events,

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9993

http://www.michaeljacksonsdeathhoax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=154

http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/05/michael-jackson-conrad-murray-manslaughter-trial-defense-coca-cole-caffeine-addiction/12/

http://www.jacksonsecretvault.com

• Katherine Jackson publishes a book about Michael through a website  http://www.jacksonsecretvault.com called Never Can Say Goodbye, and the site offers a35% discount coupon code “MJ LIVES”. Incidentally, 35% off of $59.99 results in a savings of $21 (777) Clue: Substantiated

• LaToya interview the subject of an article in The News Of The World where she drops several clues, some more blatent then Jermaine’s now famous “airport… I mean hospital” slip up. Best head scratchers:

“He’s still here.” she insists. “He’s still with me and he’s just waiting to let the world know.”

“He’d love me to go out with him and see his fans. He loved to play cat and mouse with them.”

“There are lawyers, investigators, a lot of people working on this. It’s taking a long time but it’s still going on.” me in: the death investigation is concluded and has been presented to the DA. Murray has been long charged at this point. How old is this interview?

Coke Happiness Machine commercial does not fuzz out jacket bearing the clear insignia “Michael Jackson’s This Is It”. In comparison, all other corporate labels present on clothing of commercial extras is blurred. This is confirmation of a corporate sponsorship between Michael Jackson and Coke of some fashion. Remember, this isn’t AEG. Michael and only Michael owns the right to his image and name. Period. End of discussion. This commercial+obvious Coke product placement in Dr. Murray walk n’talk photo op on Venice Beach+Coke Killed MJ as Murray’s defense theory article on TMZ=Clue: Substantiated

Handwriting on a thank you note sent to the Sunflower guy who donated to MJs crypt allegedly from Lisa Marie Presley last month matches Michael Jackson’s writing. Clue: Substantiated

While You Were Out…

All dates are approximate unless noted.

August 1st: Michael Jackson is listed as director of the Conrad Murray Documentary on IMDB. Apparently this had been added at the end of June but no one noticed. The name was removed after a hoaxer submitted a notice of error to IMDB. By August 7th it was removed.

August 2nd: A curtain was erected over Michael’s tomb at Forest Lawn. This was visible through the doors to Holly Terrace and the alert was posted on a non-believer’s Facebook account, and verified by multiple sources. Days later TMZ picked up on it and apparently asked FL what was up. FL provided a completely BS excuse (or at least TMZ chose to publish a completely BS statement) that the curtain was erected because some Yoga master’s disciples were coming to visit his grave and it was a heightened security feature to prevent a crazed MJ fan from sneaking in disguised as a yoga nut.  Problem with this is that the Yoga master’s tomb isn’t in the same wing as Michael’s and the one is not accessable to the other. So that’s complete bullshit. Curtain is removed a week or so later presumably, at last check no further reports that it is still there.

August 7th (verified date): Marlon posts on the J5 twitter account, effectively knocking the “Army of Love” tweet, that TS used as his proof that he’s not a fake, off the page. Seems deliberate. No further activity on this account at the time of this post. This Just In: Upon recheck today 8/22/10, enough tweets were deleted from this page so that the “Army of LOVE” tweet is back at the bottom of the page. Now THAT’s super interesting.

August 8th: The title of upcoming Elvis documentary is announced, “The Final Curtain”. 999 copies of the accompanying box set/book are said to be set for release by Sony.

August 11th (verified date): TMZ article “Michael Jackson Resurrected by CSD”. CSD subsequently tweets: “New single with MJ, it’s a movie baby!”

Week of August 16th: Small flurry of MJ related articles published by TMZ. “It’s All Good For Michael Jackson” about All Good Entertainment alleged contract with Frank DiLeo lawsuit officially dismissed in court. “Macaulay Culkin Surfaces… In Public” with accompanying pic of Mack with his brother in London wearing red shirt and black tie, weird considering this guy never gets photog’ed out n about. Seems everyone is in London these days. Also worth noting: “Brittany Murphy’s Mom Shared Bed With Monjack”, using identical rhetoric “shared bed” as the infamous Bashir interview on the same subject. VERY noteworthy is the last line of TMZ’s article: “the report doesn’t suggest sexual contact between the two”… after a headline like that– err… well Michael sure didn’t get the same consideration did he?

August 19: Widely reported that Katherine and Joe Jackson are getting divorced… but not a peep from TMZ on the subject other then Harvey’s statement “calling BS on this” on TMZ live.

August 21: Just in, TIAI redirect to blog entry from last year about a reporter camped outside Murray’s supposed Las Vegas home NEVER sees him. Also, Murray’s supposed home is across the street from the former home of Elvis’s doctor, Elias Ghanem. Here’s the blog page link:

http://thestrippodcast.blogspot.com/2009/08/abcnews-baffling-mj-stakeout.html —-scroll down for the post.

I find it odd that the reporter remarks that it’s “as if Murray had himself on house arrest”. Remember the YouTube statement? This blog is from around that time. Murray mentions he is afraid to leave his house, use the phone or answer email. Yet here he is living in a gated community where only this reporter and one distant poparottzi are outside (and, apparently neither ever got a pic of him). What’s Murray afraid of? Or was the YouTube statement an elaborate back story explanation for why we were never going to see this guy except under carefully staged appearances? The reporter seems to indicate this is odd behavior, to never address the media camped outside your house. Come to think of it, it is quite strange. We always get footage of the suspect arriving home, car swarmed with reporters, microphones, and flashbulbs; “did you do it? do you have anything to say in your defense? how do you intend to fight these charges?” etc. Or the peaceful 30 second long statement in which Murray could have said “the troot will prevail” to the press to appease them and make them go away. Why the very purposeful decision to put the statement on YouTube and not the network news?

Wow, that’s tieing into some real retro Murray stuff right there.

It’s kind of obvious that he’s not in that house. Or wasn’t at that time. Suggests fake address/staged site.

The Elvis’s doctor lived across the street from Murray thing is EXACTLY like Elvis having lived across the street from Carolwood. That is NOT a coincidence and explains why this address was given as Dr. Murray’s home.

to be continued.

Hope all is well with you. I am perplexed by this lull in the hoax but no less confident in Michael’s living status. He’s out there somewhere but what he’s up to I no longer have any guess. Keep your chin up and go about your business, he has the right to shock and surprise us too.

Hug your hoax friends, they’ve been through a lot with you.

Court Monday. Will keep an eye out.