I believe it is true.
In regards to the events the world witnessed on 6/25/09; the ambulance backing out of Carrolwood, the gif file compiled of the stretcher entering UCLA ER pics, the helicopter on UCLA roof, the waiting coroner van, all played out in Live Time on our television screens… thus was the Death of The King of Pop… and it was as amazing and fantastic as you could ever want. And it was all a ruse…
Or was it?
When TS from MJDHI launched the Levels in 2011, and specifically Level 7b– who or what went to UCLA in the ambulance that day, I found my own personal hoax playground.
I have long been a supporter of the LiveMJ theory. It has always seemed fitting to me, since discovering the hoax in July of 2009, that MJ was precisely where he was reported to be, on that stretcher being whisked away via ambulance/helicopter/coroner van. I envisioned him playing dead, some how fooling everyone who came into contact with him (save for the coroner) that he was deceased, beyond saving, a corpse… protected only by Murray, his loyal insider who stayed with him (nearly) every step of the way (Three Way Theory–RIP).
But then I grew up. And the investigation became less fanciful, more sophisticated, grounded. It was argued to me that this was a preposterous theory (funny thing, coming from another death hoaxer), the risk was too great, MJ would never put himself into that situation, not during the performance of his life, not with 20+ years of plans riding on it, too much chance of discovery…
Some attest that a real corpse was used. Some a dummy. I liked the dummy theory for awhile, because it allows MJ to “be” there without actually being there, as if that were important somehow. But the corpse theory I reject at ‘hello’ and have been attempting to debunk it now for (literally) years.
Fast forward to yesterday. After heated debate on the 11/11/11 thread for weeks (months/years), arguing against the dead body theory and for the dummy theory, going through the (by now) old, familiar motions, it dawned on me. LiveMJ theory was rejected, effectively, due to it’s greatest strength: risk of discovery… except I’ve been looking at it backwards. Eureka! What if, during all the commotion on 6/25/09, MJ was discovered ELSEWHERE? Well it would be Hoax Over in one fell swoop. No amount of damage control or propaganda campaign chaser could iron that out, it’s game over: MJ is not dead, he’s not in distress, and he’s not at UCLA in the ER being worked on by emergency personnel, he’s discovered hiding (imagine the headlines) in location xyz wherever. Problemo de grande aka Hoax Fail.
So as unlikely as it might seem that MJ might be discovered elsewhere (where ever else he may have “escaped” to on 6/25/09), just by MJ being any where other then on that stretcher, this risk exists and would be ever-present with any alternative method.
Ironically… if LiveMJ is there every step of the way, this vulnerability is completely negated– MJ is never in two places at once, rather, he is always precisely where he is reported to be. In fact, what we have with this LiveMJ option, is complete and 100% elimination of this particularly fatal risk of hoax discovery, and how often did MJ have access to that kind of iron-clad hoax “insurance policy” on that day?
After 3+ years, and all that we have been able to assert regarding the events of that day, it seems to me that LiveMJ is actually the least risky option on the table.
Lucky enough for me, and this is where it gets interesting, I was asked by TS_comments himself, to compile my reasons against the dead body theory and for the LiveMJ or dummy theory, my choice, into organized, numbered lists:
I would request bec, in the next day or so, to compile a list of up to about a dozen reasons against the DWD and/or corpse theory—and also up to about a dozen reasons for the live MJ and/or dummy theory (or whatever other theory you want to include). You may use new reasons, and/or review previous reasons posted by yourself and/or others. Please number each point, so that I can reply to each point directly by number.
He’s giving me the deadline of 11/29/12, the date slated for completion of Level 7 (which is a cornerstone of the Bamsday prophesies btw, for those who subscribe to that school of thought, which I do). And so I did. But despite my efforts, I came up with more then a dozen. Here are my lists for your consideration.
12 reasons against dead body theory
- The chances of someone other then MJ that looks enough like MJ to fool everyone ( double) dying of natural means (or Propofol) in accordance with the numerology, perfectly on time, who also happened to be residing at Carrolwood that day is a statistical impossibility.
- DWD is against the law in California. California penal code section 401: Every person who deliberately aids, or advises, or encourages a person to commit suicide, is guilty of a felony. MJ, Murray, and AEG would all be guilty in accordance with the wording of the law.
- A real body would need to get into Carrolwood somehow and at some point. On 6/25/09, the staff was sent out of the house before the stretcher came down indicating that they were not in on, so therefore would need to be shielded from the body’s arrival as well.
- A real body would need to be stored until go time. Dead bodies are messy n ought not be stored in private residences and few private residences would be set up to properly house a corpse. This is a public health risk that would necessitate specific accommodations. This is also a zoning violation (at best), and potentially a small string of misdemeanors and minor felonies resulting from abuse of a corpse, tampering with a corpse, others.
- If a real body were frozen to facilitate storage, it would be at the wrong temperature to fool emergency workers, and by the time the core was thawed, the outer tissues would be mush. Additionally, once-frozen-now-thawed tissue is distinctive and shows up clearly upon autopsy.
- A fresh dead corpse would be subject to rigor mortis within minutes and lasting for hours, making entubulation of the airway/locating and tapping a vein impossible.
- It was reported that the body was ID’ed from MJ’s driver’s license at the hospital. Neither a DWD patient nor a random corpse could be ID’ed as MJ from a pic of MJ.
- UCLA spokesperson did not make a statement in the death of MJ, counter to what is typical with a high profile death at a hospital. Instead, Jermaine Jackson made the statement. UCLA specifically dodged making any kind of statement regarding MJ at all, rather printing the family’s prewritten words instead.
- No doctor came forward initially to sign the death certificate. If there were a real body entering UCLA that day, there should be no problem getting a DC for it signed.
- The body wouldn’t look like MJ and ambulance/gurney/autopsy pics clearly depict MJ, and not an apparent hospice patient as was testified by paramedics.
- Makes the entire story, start to finish, a lie. MJ was not attended by paramedics at Carrolwood, MJ didn’t go to UCLA, MJ didn’t get transported via helicopter, MJ did not go to the coroner’s office.
- Both paramedics that testified attested that the patient looked like MJ. A DWD patient or random corpse are not going to resemble MJ enough for both paramedics to testify that they recognized him.
- No IV drip was witnessed suspended above the patient in the stretcher gif and if a real person was being attended in a medical emergency, and was reportedly already ported with an IV when paramedics arrived, after 42 minutes of attendance during which they are treating him as not dead and administering IV injections, it is extremely unlikely that the patient would not be started on fluids within that amount of time.
- The official story is that Dr. Cooper was able to rouse some heart activity in the patient at UCLA for several minutes. This would be impossible if she were working on a stored corpse, and nearing impossible on a DWD patient who had consumed suicide medication 1 hour (or more) prior.
- If the patient were a DWD patients, then rescue efforts such as those described having been administered to MJ violates ethics on the part of MJ, Murray, and AEG (and any other potential producers/financial backers of DH), for knowingly allowing a person who’s will it was to end their life peacefully under their own control, be subjected to extreme methods of resuscitation for an extended duration of time. Successful or not, this action is a direct violation of this patient’s end of life wishes.
- Because of points 4, 5, 6, and 7, the paramedics and ER emergency Dr.’s are required to be in on it, so we lack motive of who the real body is designed to fool.
12 reasons supporting Live MJ theory
- MJ was reported to be “Alive at UCLA”.
- Allows for on-the-scene direction/consultation in case anything unforeseen ocurred which required on-the-spot changes or alterations in the plan.
- Completely eliminates the risk that the hoax will be ruined by MJ being discovered safe and hiding somewhere else, or sneaking away shortly before 6/25/09, when he is supposed to be suddenly dead/dying at UCLA that day.
- MJ had to leave Carrolwood somehow, at some point, same as above, allows MJ to not be discovered/seen leaving Carrolwood anytime sooner or later then reported.
- Eliminates the need for MJ to hide, be disguised, travel to, and arrange for insiders at a 2nd or 3rd location as would be necessary to coordinate if escaping via another means.
- Allows MJ to have photos taken as reported for gurney and autopsy, ensuring that those photos cannot be discovered too early (them being discovered to be in existence pre 6/25/09 would be a big problem), nor will those photos show up too late to potentially rouse suspicion of someone in a paperwork position not in on the hoax (autopsy was performed 6/26 so those pics needed to exist by then).
- Allows emergency workers to be able to accurately recall events because MJ is really there on the stretcher (probably really wearing that gown). Live simulations could be run through, in the time allowed at each location, to allow workers to have real memories, rather then fabricated alibis. MJ is not dealing with seasoned actors here, and they’re playing the role of their lives, so it is best if people are given an opportunity to have something real to remember.
- Allows validation of the official story should anyone not in on the hoax happen to catch a quick glimpse of the stretcher going by at any point along the way, they would really see MJ.
- Allows for unforeseen occurrences to be encountered (ambulance break down, unauthorized peaks through windows in locked doors, etc) because, just as reported, MJ is indeed just where he is supposed to be.
- Shortly after the ambulance arrives, the fire alarm was pulled in the portion of UCLA that MJ was reportedly in on 6/25/09, effectively minimizing the unauthorized opportunities outlined in points 8 & 9.
- Gives MJ a perfect escape out of UCLA, because again, he could do exactly as is reported and take the helicopter to the waiting coroner van. If he chose to go a different direction, even last minute, there would be dozens of other escape plans A-Z to explore out of the highly trafficked UCLA campus.
- Gives the official story a consistently interwoven element of truth; MJ really was attended by paramedics at Carrolwood, MJ really did go to UCLA, MJ really did get transported via helicopter, MJ really did go to the coroner’s office.
- Explains why MJ’s kids stopped crying when they were done seeing their dad’s body, the scene as described by LaToya. They stopped crying because they saw Dad’s not dead.
- Explains Jermaine’s “slip up” airport comment. Jermaine said MJ wasn’t “with us long before he went to the airport… I mean hospital.” … which is 100% accurate. Just like Jermaine said. He meant hospital, the man said MJ went to the hospital, and if we can’t trust Jermaine’s word, what CAN we believe?
- Changes the least amount of variables from the official story. The only thing that isn’t true is MJ being dead.
So there you have it. After 3 years and 5 months of research and nearly 2 years of intense debate and brainstorming sessions, I think I have laid out a strong case FOR LiveMJ having attended on site on 6/25/09, and a strong case to debunk, once and for all, the dead body theory.
Lastly, just for funsies, if you will, please refer to LiveMJ point #14. This “slip up” by Jermaine has long been used as “proof” that MJ fled the scene on 6/25/09 (airport escape theory-runs parallel to dead body theory and dummy theory to some extent). I have long professed that Jermaine’s slip up was not real, rather contrived, and done so to give hoaxers false validation, as the airport theory was being actively considered as plausible at the time, and periodically comes up ever since.
The background info on this point, as it is fairly brand new: along came a friend of mine from the forum, Thriller4ever, who saw the situation with Jermaine’s “slip up” a little differently and pm’ed me (this is not a native English speaker so please forgive):
Jermaine’s slip up of before he arrived to the airport (error) hospital…. “He” is Michael…so wouldn’t that mean Michael was travelling from Carolwood to UCLA…?
I just sat n stared at Thriller4ever’s words for a minute and again, I was dawned upon. Like a ray of bright and shining light of clarity: Jermaine DID tell the truth. Now look, please consider JJ’s now famous line:
Michael was not with us long before he arrived at the airport, I mean hospital.
He said he meant hospital. He said he meant hospital, by George! He DID mean hospital, JJ did not give out false clues after all, people (we) simply jumped to conclusions based on what we thought we heard… not based on what JJ actually said. Airport is irrelevant, he didn’t mean airport, he meant hospital. And that’s just where MJ arrived on 6/25/09.
So now seeing the forest for the trees finally, it occurs to me that TS was right all along; if we can’t take JJ’s word for it, then what can we believe in all this??
So in conclusion, I will continue to defend the LiveMJ theory, the one that states that the events witnessed in live time on live TV on 6/25/09, were all REAL and all TRUE. The only detail that the media got wrong was that Michael Jackson was dead.
Now we wait.